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		<title>Exercise 1 Question 3 Part 5</title>
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				<title>Re: Exercise 1 Question 3 Part 5</title>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 04 Apr 2016 21:19:49 +0000</pubDate>
				<wikidot:authorName>Israela</wikidot:authorName>				<wikidot:authorUserId>599581</wikidot:authorUserId>				<content:encoded>
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						 <p>Read my previous answer.</p> <p>(Binary search works because you know the set of critical values, but that's not a complexity\optimization course, so it really doesn't matter).</p> 
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				<title>Re: Exercise 1 Question 3 Part 5</title>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 04 Apr 2016 18:12:44 +0000</pubDate>
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						 <p>The following problem:</p> <p>Given S, S1 and S2, are S1 and S2 a partition of S that minimizes the makespan?</p> <p>is in coNP. A verifier for S1 and S2 not being a partitioning that minimizes the makespan is easy to formulate - just accept a different partitioning of S and calculate its makespan.</p> <p>Since it's in coNP I don't think we can prove that it's NP-complete.</p> <p>The following problem is in NP:</p> <p>Given S and k, is there a partitioning of S with makespan less than k?</p> <p>One may try to think of a scheme to verify the following problem by applying the above verifier repeatedly:</p> <p>Given S, what is the minimal makespan of any partition of S?</p> <p>But I really can't see how. Binary search won't work since S's elements can be arbitrarily large.</p> 
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				<title>Re: Exercise 1 Question 3 Part 5</title>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 04 Apr 2016 14:28:53 +0000</pubDate>
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						 <p>Do you mean that we should show that next problem is NP-Complete: does the minimum makespan smaller than K?</p> 
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				<title>Re: Exercise 1 Question 3 Part 5</title>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 04 Apr 2016 11:31:26 +0000</pubDate>
				<wikidot:authorName>Israela</wikidot:authorName>				<wikidot:authorUserId>599581</wikidot:authorUserId>				<content:encoded>
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						 <p>(generally for minimization problems:) decide whether the value that you want to minimize is smaller then given k</p> 
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				<title>Re: Exercise 1 Question 3 Part 5</title>
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				<pubDate>Sun, 03 Apr 2016 20:10:38 +0000</pubDate>
				<wikidot:authorName>Tzvika Geft</wikidot:authorName>				<wikidot:authorUserId>2668177</wikidot:authorUserId>				<content:encoded>
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						 <p>Can you formulate the decision problem that we are supposed to show is in NP?</p> <p>I'm confused about what you expect to see in this question.<br /> If the the current formulation is changed to say &quot;NP hard&quot; at the end, then I'm fine with it.</p> 
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				<pubDate>Mon, 28 Mar 2016 09:02:03 +0000</pubDate>
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						 <p>Minimization and decision problems are (usually) kind of equivalent, because you can solve one of them in polynomial time iff you can solve the other (binary search). Partition also has a version as a minimization problem.</p> <p>However, it is enough to show that the decision problem is in NP.</p> 
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				<title>Re: Exercise 1 Question 3 Part 5</title>
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				<pubDate>Sat, 26 Mar 2016 14:33:54 +0000</pubDate>
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						 <p>But it's not a decision problem. Finding the partition which minimzes the makespan is not a Yes / No question, NP is a class of decision problems, is it not?</p> <p>I mean the partition problem that we are asked to reduce to is the Yes /No question whether a group of numbers can be partitioned to two groups with the same sum.</p> 
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				<pubDate>Sat, 26 Mar 2016 12:07:03 +0000</pubDate>
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						 <p>You should prove that it is in NP.</p> 
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				<pubDate>Sat, 26 Mar 2016 07:56:24 +0000</pubDate>
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						 <p>Hi,<br /> The question asks us to prove that the problem of finding the partition of players into bands, which minimizes the makespan, is NP-Complete. But that is not a decision problem, and therefore not in NP.<br /> We could ask whether a game has a partition of the players that brings the makespan below a certain threshold K, but that's a diffrent problem.</p> <p>What am i missing?<br /> Thank you.</p> 
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